Saturday, November 28, 2009

Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

As a kid my grandparents took me to a United Pentecostal Church. They taught that women were not allowed to wear pants, makeup, cut their hair, wear jewelry, wear short sleeves etc. because it was a sin. I questioned my Sunday School teacher and she explained that pants were for men. To dress in them would be taking on the persona of a man. I guess it would be like crossdressing. What about people in other countries and cultures? There are men that wear skirts. What if a woman wanted to be a fireman? She could not possibly work in a long skirt. So would this be wrong? I know putting out fires is not a sin so what could she do to please the church? I don't know of any females that buy their pants in the men's dept. they do make jeans for women so how can this be considered wearing men's clothing? This has always bugged me because that church feels so strongly about this and judge others on clothes and makeup. I believe God looks at your heart, not your hair or clothes.



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

Hath God Said ???



Out of all denominations, there are those having a pure heart toward God : The elect, that is walking in Truth and Faith. I plea with the body of Christ to walk in newness of Spirit, and not the traditions and doctrines of man.



Those that have an ear to hear : Let them hear what



the Spirit is saying to the church ...



From the fall of Eden, Satan has been using deceit to



destroy the TRUTH of God. Every denomination has



their own separation from Truth. Some more than



others, but all are polluted with " doctrines " of



MAN.



The FIRST denomination : The denomination of the Serpent !



Eve believed the lie of Satan, which perverted the



Truth.



Genesis 2:16,17 And the Lord God commanded the man,



saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest



freely eat : But of the tree of the knowledge of good



and evil, thou shalt not eat of it : For in the day



that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.



Genesis 3:1-6 Now the Serpent was more subtle than



any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.



And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye



shall not eat of every tree of the garden ??? And the



woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit



of the trees of the garden : But of the fruit of the



tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath



said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch



it, lest ye die.



Note : Eve added to the Word when she said : "



neither shall ye touch ".



And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not



surely die : for God doth know that in the day ye eat



thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall



be as gods, knowing good and evil.



Note : Satan perverted Gods Truth, using enticement,



an enticement to be as a god.



And when the woman saw that the tree was good for



food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree



to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit



thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband



with her ; and he did eat.



Thus, the first denomination of the Serpent. Using



the Word of God and perverting it. Eve believed the



perverting. And since then, people have been



listening to "other voices" other than the voice of



the Spirit of God.



Some are saying : This is the way; some are saying ,



No, this is the way.



Jesus said : I AM the way , the Truth, and the Life ;



No man cometh to the Father except through Me !



Well, Satan wasn't through with perverting the Truth. After the disciples received Power from



on high, the Comforter, The Spirit of Truth, Satan began an attack to those weak in the flesh,



and enticed them with another way of looking at things ( hath God said ). The result was heretics



which changed the Truth into a lie, breaking away from The Way, establishing their own way, thus



creating another denomination. And we see this throughout the history of Christianity.



1 st. Corinthians 1 : 10 - 13 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus, that



ye speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you ; but that ye be perfectly



joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me



that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith ; I am of



Paul ; and I of Apollos : and I of Cephas ; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided : Was Paul



crucified for you ? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul ?



Even the disciples were having problems with people trying to promote : " I belong to THIS church,



This way of teaching, This way of believing ". Hath God said ?



Now I could go into the history of ALL denominations, when they came forth, and from what doctrinal



" tree " they came from, but if I did, this would be too long of a post to hold your attention, so,



I will leave that up to you, but encourage you to dig deep, and find where your " Hath God said "



came from.



Revelations 18 : 1 - 4 And after these things I saw another angel come down from



heaven, having great power ; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he



cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen,



and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a



cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of



the wrath of her FORNICATION, and the kings of the earth have committed FORNICATION



with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her



delicacies. AND I HEARD ANOTHER VOICE FROM HEAVEN, SAYING, Come out of her MY



PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.



Saints, the time is short ! There isn't much more time to gain the " water of the



Word ", The revelations of Gods mind ! The Spirit of Truth should be your teacher,



Not the doctrines of men...! Dig into the Word and allow the Spirit of Truth lead



you into ALL Truth...



Come out from under the stronghold of the denominations and doctrines of man that



says : " Hath God said "...



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

I'm an ex-UPC person, notice the word EX!



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

Read this link, it explains it all and backs everything up with scripture.



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

Amen sister!



Pixi kis



Your link references Deuteronomy 22:5. In verse 21of the same chapter it says that women who are not virgins are to be taken out and stoned. Do the pentacostals also do that?



Alot of things have changed since christ came in the new testament in Romans chapter 7 it states that we are now under Jesus not the law anymore. We are freed from the law by grace. That simply means that all those silly little cultural laws are no longer neccessary to have a relationship with Christ.



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

your correct, God doesn't make rules like that, its just people being religious and making rules, and you don't need religion, because you can simply have a relationship with Christ, without all the religion stuff.



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

I think as women, no matter what church we attend, need to dress in a modest fashion. I don't believe in wearing tight clothes that reveal my breasts and when I wear pants, my bottom is covered. I believe that God does look at the heart, but as Christians we are suppose to represent Him in a decent way, not lustful.



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

He looks at the heart...



and I believe I see yours and it is good... You are blessed..



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

You know, I think it's the job of the Holy Spirit to convict people what they should wear



churches who make rules and regulations and bring condemnation are under God's scrutiny



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

You are not talking about beliefs but practices.



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

it is WRitten



"" it IMPOSSIABLE for what goes into the mouth to defile a man , but what comes out for the abundence of the heart the mouth speaks"



and it says for women to ""DRESS MODESTLY"" and not let thier adorning be the OUTWARD adorning such as braiding of the hair or wearing of gold or such...



Dress Modestly



Dont draw attenetion to yourself by your dress



If you show what you got..you are as guilty of the sin of Lust as the one you show it to , to give them the thoughts.....



One should know your a Lady and not a man



One should know ones a man and not a Lady



Dont cut your hair in a fashion one cant tell the difference



and dont dress in a way one would not know the difference



BUT LET YOUR ADORNING be the INWARD ADORING OF THE HEART



Thats what the bible says.........



BUT seriously ASK GOD



and seek HIM about it



and HE will lead you into all righteousness



Mans traditions makes Gods word of No affect



If your living for Christ then live for HIM with all your heart and Life...and the manner you want others to know confessing Holiness........



and no salvation is not in dress or hair



Been among that crowd as well....



Thats another reason i FOLLOW GODS WORD



not mans traditions or customs



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

You are right, sister.



The United Pentecostal Church is a cult. The Assemblies of God, also a Pentecostal group, has officially declared them as a cult.



Part of their non-biblical beliefs, apart from what you have just mentioned, are:



1. Modalism or Monalistic Monarchism - they believe that God has 3 manifestations/emanations, seperate from each other, i.e. they don't believe in a Triune God.



2. Salvation through works, i.e. full salvation is granted only if you follow the rules, like, they are not allowed to wear jewellery, etc. Also they speak in tongues in order to be saved. They also believe that one gets full salvation only if you get water-baptised otherwise you are not saved, etc. In other words, they practise LEGALISM.



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

The Bible never mentions sleeve length. It just says dress modestly. Thus most people in my church say sleeveless is wrong. We don't have a limit, other than that personally. I think the official standard is to the elbow. sleeve length is in other words, man made. Pants were originally only made for men. At one time it was actually illegal for a women to wear pants in public,wear a skirt 3 inches above the ankle, or wear sleeves above the wrists. Illegal, I say! I did the research outside the church myself. All womens jeans,pants suits are created based on mens styles. Because they originally only had them for men. Making them pink w/ wide hips doesn't change anything. Its about obedience to God. Even when we don't agree w/ or understand why God has said something. If we are obedient God will bless us. Crossdressing, that's a perfect example! As far as other countries, we must pray for the Holy Ghost to lead us. Our church has had that happen. They asked us why we were dressed as we were. We explained the difference in men/women dress in USA. So, they decided they would be like us! We told them to pray about it.That God would lead them. Basically, there MUST be distinction between male and female. In America, men don't wear skirts,kilts,etc. Therefore, that's an empty argument. If people would just pray/submit their will to God they'd be amazed @ the changes. As far as a woman fireman. I know a woman @ my UPC church(of 7 yrs) that's a surgical nurse(?). She must wear scrubs everyday. She says she has never felt convicted because its just a uniform. Its just part of the job. I agree w/ her, and you. I also think its a personal conviction. I see nothing wrong w/ wearing a uniform of some kind for work. Then wearing dresses and skirts otherwise. People can take it too far!! My ex-husband (from 6 yrs ago) forbade to grocery shop @ all but one store. They were a discount place. They sold no alcohol,cigarettes, or lottery tickets. He said it was a matter of Christian principle. He thought it was a sin to work @ a grocery or any place that sold above said items. God is looking @ our hearts ultimately. But if we have a disobedient,rebellious spirit I can't say he will be pleased. Just pray and let God lead the way!!!



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

ding!ding!ding!



we have a winner!!



this is teh exact reason i left the UPC



so much emphasis on looks and how you represent your religion to the world and so little notice on the actual religion.



whatever happened to being in the world and not of it.



dont you enter the world when you set yourself apart like that just to be a billboard for your religion?



i love my old upc family but i couldnt handle allllllll the rules.



Question for United Pentecostal church members or someone knowledgeable about their beliefs.?

Get over it, I was there for 15 yrs, and scars all over my mind. Plain ignorance, one foot in the OT, one the N It,s a sin to cut your hair, can't even,TRIM IT .When my third child was born,C Section, while awake remember my hair hung off the OP table %26amp; curled in a circle on the floor, it was so long. My hair was down below my knees,but as they preach, it's "a woman's glory"her hair, then it you might as well shave it with a razor. Then the long sleeve dresses, long in church,a home it's OK. Iwas 13 when we started to go to the UPC %26amp; it scared us half the time. My twin %26amp; I slept with our heads under the cover summer %26amp; winter,so afraid we would see a demon in our room. No AC either. We would go to church and when the sermon was over we were afraid, wondering if we sinned we would be cast into hell. I don't know why, but alot of times we would go to church and leave scared, wishing we should have stayed home. I saw many that looked un happy. We were not even allowed to go to the ball games. We were not to have TV or radio. Can not see what was so sinful about, It had to do with control. I finally left the Church to go to a different Church where the people did not teach about the outer man and taught unconditional love. I have been out of the Church and found happeness. I could never go back. I thought they might have changed, so it looks like this question proved they that have not progressed at all. Judging was a big part of some of their lifes. It is a shame one would have to live in such bondage.

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